how many people out there believe that texas could secede if it wanted to regardless of legislation. please comment tactfully
If liberty, the right to live under a government by choice, the desire for proper government are the tenets that bond several states together in a voluntary compact, then the ability of a state to voluntarily leave that union is sacrosanct.
Sadly, by 1865 we were no longer a voluntary union of states but a forced union of victor and vanquished.
Given that this Union of States was begun as a voluntary union of 13 independent states, Texas is not unique.
The Union was formed by the voluntary agreement of the States; and these, in uniting together, have not forfeited their Nationality, nor have they been reduced to the condition of one and the same people. If one of the States chose to withdraw its name from the contract, it would be difficult to disprove its right of doing so … – Alex de Tocqueville, Democracy In America
The error is in the assumption that the General Government is a party to the constitutional compact. The States … formed the compact, acting as sovereign and independent communities. – John C. Calhoun
The procedure of secession was to have an election for delegates to a state convention, to meet in convention, and to adopt ordinances of secession. This was done in accord with the Southern understanding of what would be in keeping with the United States Constitution. It had, after all, been ratified by the states acting through conventions. Could they not "un-ratify" it – secede from the Union – in the same fashion? – Clarence Carson, A Basic History Of The United States
If [the Declaration of Independence] justifies the secession from the British empire of 3,000,000 of colonists in 1776, we do not see why it would not justify the secession of 5,000,000 of Southrons from the Federal Union in 1861. – New York Tribune, December 17, 1860
The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals. No principle, that is possible to be named, can be more self-evidently false than this; or more self-evidently fatal to all political freedom. Yet it triumphed in the field, and is now assumed to be established. If it really be established, the number of slaves, instead of having been diminished by the war, has been greatly increased; for a man, thus subjected to a government that he does not want, is a slave. – Lysander Spooner
Our cause was so just, so sacred, that had I known all that has come to pass, had I known what was to be inflicted upon me, all that my country was to suffer, all that our posterity was to endure, I would do it all over again. – Jefferson Davis
The “Lost Cause” Jefferson alluded to in this statement was not as popularly believed, the preservation of slavery; it was the right of a state to be free of tyrannical government. A government that indeed proved its tyranny by use of armed force.
I saw in States’ rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will, and secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy…. Therefore I deemed that you were fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization, and I mourn for the stake which was lost at Richmond more deeply than I rejoice over that which was saved at Waterloo. -Lord Acton, in a letter to Robert E Lee right after the war
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didn’t they do that in 1861 ?? Even though the Constitution of the United States allowed it, the Feds will never let it happen….again.
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TEXAS WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF RICK PERRY SECEDE
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only Texas.
there is a law making succession illegal .. however Texas was an independent country before we joined the union not a territory or a possession…. as part of the treaty that dissolved the nation of texas and brought us into the union was a provision that we could leave if we deemed it necessary in the future…
in point of fact texas is the ONLY state that was an independent country prior to joining the union.
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It was written into their State’s constitution ages ago, that they have the right to choose to secede.
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"Regardless of legislation?"
They would secede BY legislation.
It’s plainly legal to do, but of course Washington would wage an illegal war to prevent it – again.
ALL of the Founding States were independent countries before CREATING the union and so they all remain. Lest they unconstitutionally be a separate and superior legal class, this same status MUST be accorded to ALL member States.
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If liberty, the right to live under a government by choice, the desire for proper government are the tenets that bond several states together in a voluntary compact, then the ability of a state to voluntarily leave that union is sacrosanct.
Sadly, by 1865 we were no longer a voluntary union of states but a forced union of victor and vanquished.
Given that this Union of States was begun as a voluntary union of 13 independent states, Texas is not unique.
The Union was formed by the voluntary agreement of the States; and these, in uniting together, have not forfeited their Nationality, nor have they been reduced to the condition of one and the same people. If one of the States chose to withdraw its name from the contract, it would be difficult to disprove its right of doing so … – Alex de Tocqueville, Democracy In America
The error is in the assumption that the General Government is a party to the constitutional compact. The States … formed the compact, acting as sovereign and independent communities. – John C. Calhoun
The procedure of secession was to have an election for delegates to a state convention, to meet in convention, and to adopt ordinances of secession. This was done in accord with the Southern understanding of what would be in keeping with the United States Constitution. It had, after all, been ratified by the states acting through conventions. Could they not "un-ratify" it – secede from the Union – in the same fashion? – Clarence Carson, A Basic History Of The United States
If [the Declaration of Independence] justifies the secession from the British empire of 3,000,000 of colonists in 1776, we do not see why it would not justify the secession of 5,000,000 of Southrons from the Federal Union in 1861. – New York Tribune, December 17, 1860
The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals. No principle, that is possible to be named, can be more self-evidently false than this; or more self-evidently fatal to all political freedom. Yet it triumphed in the field, and is now assumed to be established. If it really be established, the number of slaves, instead of having been diminished by the war, has been greatly increased; for a man, thus subjected to a government that he does not want, is a slave. – Lysander Spooner
Our cause was so just, so sacred, that had I known all that has come to pass, had I known what was to be inflicted upon me, all that my country was to suffer, all that our posterity was to endure, I would do it all over again. – Jefferson Davis
The “Lost Cause” Jefferson alluded to in this statement was not as popularly believed, the preservation of slavery; it was the right of a state to be free of tyrannical government. A government that indeed proved its tyranny by use of armed force.
I saw in States’ rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will, and secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy…. Therefore I deemed that you were fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization, and I mourn for the stake which was lost at Richmond more deeply than I rejoice over that which was saved at Waterloo. -Lord Acton, in a letter to Robert E Lee right after the war
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