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The LONG history between the Democratic Party and the USCCB
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The Pope has said …
The Pope has said that the USCCB has NO authority what so ever – the local Bishop does NOT have to follow what the USCCB says.
the problem is …
the problem is though that fully half of Catholics voted for Obama the most pro-abortion president ever. and many thoughtlessly continue to vote democrat. So the problem is that each parish needs to take responsibility for educating its people about how wrong this is, because the bishops are simply not doing it.
You partially …
You partially referenced the real reason Christians vote Republcans now. Democrats try to act like it’s some big mystery as to why or that the religious people suddenly got political in recent decades, but the truth is they drove religious people out. The religious vote used to be up for grabs, Republicans didn’t have a lock on it. When Liberals decided the Democratic Party was the one of abortion, that’s what shifted religious people, and later homo marriage/homo agenda.
The Wanderer has …
The Wanderer has been exposing the connection for years. DIDN’T THE BISHOPS LEARN THE WITH THE NATIONAL CLERGY ABUSE SCANDALS? There appears to be a situation of diffused responsibility. In other words the individual bishops do not take responsibility for what the USCCB or CCHD bureaucrats are doing in their name.The problem is “collegiality”. No one wants to be singled out. We need more ARCHBISHOP BURKES in the U.S. hierarchy.
@viewerone1 – i …
@viewerone1 – i have the same question. everyone in authority seems afraid to ask about the elephant in the living room. the only thing i can figure is that according to canon law the bishop is like the “pope” of his diocese, and unless there are certain undeniable errors, and unless a certain process is followed, the Pope does not generally step in. Does anybody know more about this? Is there anything else we lay people can do to enhance transparency? Do we have recourse thru canon law?
Michael, I don’t …
Michael, I don’t see any problem with anyone calling out an injustice no matter who is committing the sin. Are we not morally obligated to do this as Catholics? It would be an injustice Not to say anything. And in this regard, you are being obedient to the teachings of the Church on both faith and morals.
Again, however – …
Again, however – obedience has NOTHING to do with this situation. The bishops have not said anything. Obedience means OBEYING a command, not simply not saying something unpleasant but true.
Firstly, those …
Firstly, those people are consecrated religious – the rules are different for them.
Secondly, we must obey any order which pertains to faith and morals and which is not unjust. This does not mean MERELY just actions, but also ones which appear neutral – provided they are to do with faith and morals.
If the Bishop tells you to burn a book or lick the floor, he has to make a case it pertains to faith and morals – we are laymen, not consecrated relgious.
Could you clarify …
Could you clarify the use of the term ‘unjust’. Padre Pio licked the floor when asked by a superior to do so because he was not being asked to do anything that would require him to sin. I know it may sound like I am splitting hairs, I just think the clarification is important. It was not just for Maria of Agreda to burn the Mystical City of God, but she did it in a blink when a confessor asked her to so because it didn’t require her to sin. You are a theologian, not I. Thanks …
The Church’s …
The Church’s authority ONLY applies to matters of faith and morals, not to normal activities (so the bishop cannot tell you not to support a particular football team, unless it is a matter of faith and morals).
Obedience is required in all situations where the request is not unjust.
Note also, however, that this situation is NOT a matter of obedience; the bishops have said NOTHING about this matter. Saying someone is doing something wrong is not disobeying them.
I believe …
I believe specifically (correct me if I am wrong Michael), the Church teaches we are to always be obedient unless what is requested requires us to sin. So a Bishop can sin in asking us to do something that is terrible, but if we are no sinning by being obedient, then we should be obedient. I believe that is a little different from what you are saying, thought I am completely with you in Spirit.
Bringing out the …
Bringing out the truth will cause division between believers and ‘unbelievers’. But this is already the case. Catholic Churches are filled with people who no longer adhere to the Church’s Teachings. The Truth is a person … Jesus Christ. So professing The Truth is professing the Gospel. The Pope said the Church will become smaller but more faithful. It already is. Those that are not believers are unfortunately allowed to stay and receive Communion. I can’t believe this pleases God.
Thank you for such …
Thank you for such a timely response. As you are no doubt aware there is a lot of dissension surrounding the new translation due to come out on the part of the radical heterodox side. As such I am right now quick to avoid advocating the same action on the orthodox (or, better still, correct-odox) side.
Pax
Very interesting. …
Very interesting. Is the Bishop’s Conference promoting the Democratic Party’s Gospel of abortion, euthanasia, same sex unions? It sure does appear that they are in deep with opposition to our Catholic Church’s values and I don’t like it one bit.
Thank God we have a …
Thank God we have a Pope whom we follow, otherwise we’d be split every which way like the brethren. Sad times.
dhargetzen…I …
dhargetzen…I think your *typo is still useful. This reporting is NOT for *”inciting” dissent. I am pleased to gain timely news, insight & reasoned follow up on a story that should not go away, until those who have been commanded to “shepherd” us (we agree bishops HAVE been “sent”) act like shepherds, not “hired hands,” whose response to the genuine concern of HIS flock is curious dismissiveness. “Lambs and Sheep” have bleating rights! OUR wool should not be going to feed the wolves.+Peace+
One never obeys …
One never obeys disobedience. That is, when a prelate is disobedient to Church teaching, then you do not obey their error that they try to force upon you. I lived in a diocese which the CCD classes would teach womens ordination (among other errors), an outright heresy. Do you obey a priest or prelate when they teach heresy? No way, you never accept error from anybody. Do you obey them when they teach God’s Truth? Yes indeed.
Well, it certainly …
Well, it certainly encourages dissent from bishops IF those bishops are supporting abortion.
We don’t say they are. The USCCB however IS supporting abortions. And it has no authority other than that of the individual bishops.
Bottom line? The heirs of the apostles can be wrong, and here some of them may be. Hence, dissent is not only justified but REQUIRED.
You will notice we are not advocating schism, but rather simply obedience to Christ’s commands (which the USCCB has ignorned)
could you explain …
could you explain to me how what you say and suggest does not insight dissent against the apostolic line?
Pax
Why has it taken 40 …
Why has it taken 40 years to come up with a petition? This started with the so-called “spirit of Vatican II” and Humanae Vitae in 1968. Why has nobody held these people accountable until now? I am a recent convert (2007). There seems to me a hole in the history of this scandal. Where was Pope JPII and where is Papa Benny XVI now? To whom are these people at the USCCB accountable?
Goes to show you …
Goes to show you that so many of our Bishops have had a bad bad bad faith formation. Makes me more supsicious of them.
God bless Michael ! …
God bless Michael !
What is the truth? That is what Pilate asked Christ 2000 years ago. Our bshops do not seem to know , keep up the great work .
Keep’em coming!!! …
Keep’em coming!!! We need all the facts you guys can unearth!!!! Keep up the good work!!!